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OUR STORY

Writing a traditional Bio page did not come naturally for us. A long list of jobs at different firms with different titles and an explanation of all the time spent away from work have always seemed like a confusing set of reasons to be hired as a money manager. Measuring true passion about this craft and caring for the people who trust you to do what is best for them should be inversely related to the length of that list.

More authentic K&C is to share a story or two instead. So, after talking for several hours one day we decided to use those notes we had scribbled down for us about something more important than each other - a team in every way - and how it all came together. Neither of us has a resume because we never wanted another job. Our paths to get here were strangely perfect. We got something much luckier than a big break early in our careers – none at all. Only with that gift did we come to find out that there was nothing in the world finer than to genuinely love what you do every day and want nothing more.

There Are No Coincidences
One of Mike Catalano’s most vivid childhood memories was playing a Sports Illustrated Baseball game, made in 1972. He didn’t play it like most 12-year old kids. The rule book noted the game should take one hour. Volumes of real statistics folded together to produce a set of likely or unlikely game results. Mike got it down to 10 minutes so he could create more results. Why? The odds of success or failure and each outcome fascinated him for some reason, more than playing. Each different input created different outputs and he kept track of every single scrap of data in a huge spiral notebook for each season. He played countless variations of a 162-game season for each team and kept separate records meticulously recorded on pages that are still stored in his mother’s New York home.

Ryan Krueger’s first job at the age of 13 was one nobody else wanted. He sorted tens of thousands of baseball cards in the back room of a shop, just a bike-ride around the corner from his house. Studying the statistics on the back as they were filed, he searched for patterns that were predictive of future success from one year to the next. He created his own formula that he then used to enter a national Rotisserie baseball league against adults that summer. New back then, this now famous game measures success by an ability to predict a player’s stats in advance. Ryan placed first in the country. He fondly recalls taking the winnings and opening his first "trading desk" from that windowless shrine to numbers. By the end of the next summer, he was buying blocks of thousands of cards for pennies each and selling them for nickels and dimes because he had discovered something else - about people and prices. He bought local fans favorite cards from stores in other cities, where nobody cared, and then sold them at home, where they were coveted.

To this day, Mike and Ryan have never shaken their endless fascination with combinations of numbers, tweaking inputs and studying outputs, along with an admittedly strange desire to look for patterns and overlooked pricing differences that others may not have considered. Never knowing each other, growing up worlds apart, they started coming together years before meeting.

Looking back now, they can only describe each other as the brother they never had and are truly amazed to recount so many remarkable similarities while growing up in New York and Houston, respectively. They hardly believed each other when describing that their first stocks purchased were both funded from umpiring baseball games as teenagers.

The First Trades
They earned every nickel invested, perhaps later explaining their relentless desire to always do their own research and take complete responsibility. A shoe company for Mike and a computer company for Ryan, they found one stock each to start with and miraculously tripled their original investments of about a thousand dollars, almost identical outcomes, which they still laugh about to this day. Another similarity was that they lost every penny of that on their next few trades. A greater lesson could not have been learned and became one of an entire book of trading rules they later wrote together: "Losing hurts more than winning helps." But they were hooked.

The Big Breaks
Each began their careers – Mike on Wall Street and Ryan on Westheimer Road - with the same firm. However, this is the part where "no big break becoming the best gift of all" comes into play.

The firm refused to let Mike near stocks, shoving him into a back office role instead. He spent the next four years trying to learn his way out and begged for a chance to trade. Looking back he remembers being turned down by at least 20 different managers. Finally, one day came the inspiring words he’ll never forget, "Fine, since I just fired somebody I have a desk, start tomorrow." Unfortunately his old boss would not let him go from the back office. Stuck in between his job and his dream he did the only thing he could figure out – both. Working day and night to complete both duties for weeks, Mike finally got released from the back office and onto the front row, quite literally, of Wall Street.

The firm would not even interview Ryan when he applied. He wrote a letter to the manager, anyway, detailing his plans for success (the "Hail Mary" as he now calls that letter) and asked to visit with him just once. That manager decided to open the door – to the mailroom – and offered him the firm’s minimum salary. Later that year before leaving for his training class in Connecticut, Ryan learned just how much that manager went out on a limb to hire him after meeting with his boss who threw down a binder the size of two telephone books and announced, "We forgot to give this to you a few months ago, but it needs to be done by Monday." Too naïve to know that was likely their way of saying get lost, he completed three months of material in three days before boarding a plane to join a class of more than 100. Each member knew only a handful would survive but none of them got the instructions that Ryan did, in words he will never forget, he was told, "If you see the divisional director do whatever you can to not be seen. Jump behind a couch if you have to. Just make sure he does not meet you, or he will send you home because of your age."

Mike and Ryan were handed nothing, but a chance, and will be forever grateful. Looking back they are convinced they did not succeed despite those obstacles, rather because of them. Their first year’s salary came to $36,000 - combined. Yet, they still smile more about those first few years in this business than you could imagine. When they speak to interns, classrooms, or graduating kids these days, they have one piece of advice – "While your friends look for good jobs, figure out instead the one thing you might be great at and offer to do it for anything in return. If you are right, you will never have a job for the rest of your life."

The Chosen Few That Grew
Each of them spent years picking as many brains as they could, studying every market they found, and testing all of their trading theories. But the harsh reality in this business is that somebody still has to trust you with their money to become a money manager. They were handed no clients. All they knew how to do was share ideas that could make people money. This approach was an unusually simple formula in those days on Wall Street. To the firm’s dismay, shunning the products it wanted sold, Mike and Ryan made a lonely decision which they now owe everything to. They decided to build and manage their own stock portfolio and do all their own research and trading. To explain how rare that was at the time is hard for either to do. To realize they had not even met yet and were living these parallel lives is even more difficult to believe. Each will describe a cheap apartment and no social life as key ingredients to learning this business. They were simply consumed by the markets. Spending six or seven days in the office every week and countless evenings working might have been interrupted by a house or girlfriend. "Another lucky break," they’ll say only half-kidding.

Once they did meet, almost immediately a few minutes of conversations grew to hours of sharing ideas. It will sound terribly goofy to anybody who does not know them now, but it was as if they had their own language they had never heard spoken outside their own minds. Notes on tickers turned into sketching their designs on yellow legal pads and comparing them back and forth day after day. Two years of this went by until they decided each had pieces of a puzzle the other did not, so they decided to combine their two management programs.

Ryan will describe Mike as the best old-fashioned stock picker he knows. "There is no one with better instincts. He spins the globe too. He has an insatiable appetite for world history and politics and then puts together the stock market’s chess board around it all."

Mike will explain Ryan’s ability to design his "traps" to run stocks into, in combinations that would yield selections few others would even consider. "He is fascinated by unusual possibilities and under-scouted industries and is able to organize it all in a disciplined process that was unlike anything I had ever seen."

After forming a partnership in 2001, they combined what they had been doing individually. They began actively managing their own portfolio together, built out their own technology platform, ran their own research department, and completely designed a proprietary trading methodology.

Their trading success allowed for a small number of people to follow their advice and let them manage their money. They can each tell you precisely how those first few came to trust two guys with nothing but ideas they had tirelessly questioned and tested. And they worked.

Their goal was always to share a combination of bottom line performance together with candid communication about what was going on, in a way that would be unrivaled anywhere in the industry. In doing so, those few clients grew and lived in dozens of cities, several states, and different countries around the world, thanks simply to the kind words from those who knew Mike and Ryan best. They shared with friends and colleagues their track record and how they were treated.

The Birth Of Our Firm
Mike and Ryan decided to open their own firm to serve those who trusted them. They left under the best of circumstances as Senior Portfolio Managers at Citigroup, the parent company of the same firm where Mike and Ryan started in 1985 and 1996, respectively.They still enjoy a great relationship and manage money for some of the bank’s clients and senior employees to this day. They opened Krueger & Catalano Capital Partners LLC in March of 2006.

Those who originally trusted them might appreciate how much money they have made over all the years since, but may never know just how grateful Mike and Ryan remain for earning the privilege of their loyalty. Each will say quite often, "It’s impossible not to be motivated every morning and truly inspired to do great things for people who completely trust you. We feel like we must earn it again tomorrow; and that’s a perfect combination for a true team to be formed, which is pretty rare these days."

Trust is not a word they throw around lightly. It does not take long for Mike or Ryan to explain the formation of this firm. The entire deal was structured with one handshake. The only paperwork anywhere close was a stack of napkins on the table at an International House of Pancakes where they met that fateful morning. Whenever asked about the key to their partnership, they will explain the answer was the absence of attorneys, accountants, consultants, or clauses that morning. Simple trust and honesty can trump them all.

They opened their offices about five minutes from their Memorial homes to complete their favorite trade of all, which is no commute from their biggest inspirations - five little ones. The ends of their days unite them as much as their pre-dawn huddles on the trade desk. Mike and Ryan learned they had always been bound by the same belief system, set of personal values, and the desire to enjoy each family moment they work so hard to create. They leave for homes that are only a few blocks apart and play with their kids as hard as they worked that day – a strict company rule.

Kids from all over the neighborhood know which two yards will have an umpire, coach, fill-in, or dad, whichever is needed until well after dark and usually until one of the moms yells at the two biggest kids of all that it is time to stop playing - until tomorrow.

Their business requires attention and tireless work, usually six days a week to accomplish the standards that Mike and Ryan have set and promised each partner. But if work is described as what you do when you’d rather be doing something else, then they have truly never worked a day in their lives. Their families get everything else they have in a balance that will never be compromised. Their stated ultimate goal is: to never finish.

When the door was opened to their new firm, in the very first week over $100 million was entrusted to their care before their assistant even started. Thankfully, they knew exactly how to set up a back office and mail room.

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